Listen How to Take Big Trips in a Small Way on The Offbeat Life Podcast

I love taking big trips in small steps: pedaling an old bicycle long distances, walking through the woods for hours or traveling by mule (like my latest ramble). What’s even more exciting is sharing what I’ve learned about traveling this way with folks who dream of taking an adventure of their own.

This week, I had the pleasure of being a guest Off Beat Life, a website dedicated to online jobs and location-independent work.

Debbie Arcangeles, founder of the OffBeat Life website and podcast

One of things I enjoyed most about this interview was how much Debbie and I laughed. She’s got a disarming way of teasing out a great story, bumps and all. Bumps, after all, are what make trips memorable and gently force the change a traveler may need to make. They also provide guidance for those following in the footsteps of those who have gone before.

Click on the audio player to have a listen. I know you’re gonna smile.

When we weren’t laughing, we talked about how to travel and work on the road under imperfect conditions. Here are some highlights you’ll enjoy:

  • Why many people are running in a misguided direction (which ties in to why my wife Julia and I cook on a two burner camp stove) (4:00)
  • How unscripted voyages give back after you’ve come home (20:00)
    Why it’s easier to meet people with mules (30:00)
  • The importance of taking pride in what you’re doing (42:00)

More About OffBeat Life

Debbie has a great backstory. She was born in the Philippines and moved to the United States, where she became, among many other things, a teacher, entrepreneur, photojournalist and founder of the OffBeat Life website. Her mission is encouraging people to take the chance to design a life full of substance and not from circumstance.

Check out OffBeat Life here.

Other Places Where You Can Listen to Debbie’s and My Chat


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Coming Soon: Manual Labor

In an upcoming post, I’ll share a another podcast episode I did with Debbie where I discuss how to earn money while traveling doing manual labor

Let me Give You a Heads-up When my New Book “Two Mules to Triumph” is Published

I’d love to give you a heads-up when my new book, Two Mules to Triumph, is published. It’s about riding Brick and Cracker 2,300 miles from North Carolina to Idaho. Just sign up for my newsletter, and I’ll let you know when it’s released. As a thank you, I’ll give you a link where you can download my free eBook, 19 Million Mule Steps.

19 million mule steps winnie award winner
19 Million Mule Steps is the award-winning new photo book about riding my mules Brick and Cracker 2,300 miles from North Carolina to Idaho.

19 Million Mule Steps contains over one hundred pages of photos, essays and sketches that didn’t fit into Two Mules to Triumph.


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